Ok, I am not good at this AT ALL! However, The Persian is quite good at it... I will have to start to take lessons. One lesson is to ask and that is hard but like the old saying goes "a closed mouth does not get fed." Don't be afraid to say you found it somewhere for cheaper because that is almost always the case but they don't know that for sure. Walk away if you can wait till the price decreases. And believe me I am still learning from the master and more tips to come.